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Did you hear that? That shrill high pitched scream of anguish and release? That was the scream of the last vestige of my hope for this series. It is dead now, and the writers have killed it. Their writing is bad and they should feel bad.

Now, rather then start at the beginning of the episode, I'll start at the crowning moment of fail, the second death of what could have been the savior of Yugioh 5D's, Divine. Now, his resurrection in the first place was a plot hole of beyond epic proportions, but considering how in one episode he was able to steal the thunder of all the dark signers, including the only decent ones Ruger and Carly, and show them how this villainy business is really done, I was willing to overlook that.

Alas, it was not meant to be. Not merely do they kill him off after only a single episode after a ludicrously contrived engineered public confession (seriously, when the hell did Yusei set his duel disc to transmit Divine's words to Misty? How the hell would he have even known the code to Misty's duel disc? I'm sure as hell that the writers never put any thought into this, and they should be ashamed for making me do it for them.), but they do so in a way that completely destroys the coherence of the setting.

Think about it; if the Dark Signers can order their Earthbound God to just eat someone they don't like, then why even bother with the duel? Divine certainly didn't with all those fireballs and psychic swords he was tossing about! I mean, one of the great challenges of a series like Yugioh is accounting for the "why don't you just shoot them!" problem, which makes the cavaliar sh!tt!ng all over the effort to explain why dueling is the best way to approach the situation really obnoxious.

And that's not all! By making everything Divine's fault, the writers have denied Aki any real roll in her own character arc. It doesn't matter that Aki won the duel, since all her dignity, integrity, and pride were all blasted away by writers who have had a bitter resentment against women ever since their mothers stopped kissing their boo-boos and told them to suck it up and stop being such pansies.

I mean, really, Mai Kujaku might not have won any duels in the original manga, but Kazuki Takahashi respected her and preserved her dignity; I mean, look at how she is in the manga after she wakes up from Yami Malik's Penalty Game, and you will see someone too awesome to ever be knocked down. Then of course the anime writers got their man-panties in a twist and did their level best to ruin her in DOMA, since the idea of an independent woman terrified them beyond all reason. And yeah, Anzu might not have dueled in the manga, but considering that she was the one who had the foresight to get the cartouche that saved everyone, I'd say that she pulled her weight plenty in that arc alone, not counting all the other vital support she provided throughout the rest of the series. And don't forget Kisara, who saved Priest Seto from his father, as he was too much of a daddy's boy to stand up for himself, so his girlfriend had to do all the hardwork for him. Mana was also pretty kick-ass, going from someone who couldn't even see the spirits at the start and was in the end able to summon the Dark Magician Girl and save Mahad from certain destruction, ultimately enabling everyone else to save the day.

And of course, we can't neglect Isis Ishtar, who was not merely powerful enough to face Kaiba head on and force him to duel beyond his very best, but also orchestrated the entire Battle City tournament to rescue her little brother. And while this is an anime addition, I'll count Shizuka rescuing her brother from drowning; it was cheesy, but still good on her part.

Now, yes, the handling of gender in the original Yugioh had its share of problems, but the idea that Aki having a decent dueling record and a decent deck somehow elevates her above all the original Yugioh ladies...well, you have to be pretty short sighted to think that.

And by the looks of the next episode, the writers will be fully embracing their fear of girls and their icky-yucky girl parts by having a three-on-one duel with only manly men, so they don't have to remember those mean girls back in high school who wouldn't go out with them or bow down to them or stay in the damn kitchen where they belong!

...I think I might have gone on a tangent, but I've made my point.

Date: 2009-06-04 03:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
THIS IS WHY ONLY THE MANGA AND THE DUB ORIGINAL ANIME ARE MY CANONS. Yeah the dub - I actually found the major shifts on some of the characterizations (outside of Kaiba, but I only really love him in the manga) interesting. The characters are different enough so I can do different things with them.

Date: 2009-06-04 03:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cypsiman2.livejournal.com
The worst part is, as bad as I made it sound, it was so much worse! Because when Aki was first introduced, it seemed like she was going to be a stone cold bad-ass. Her introduction consisted of blowing shit up for great justice!

But no, it turns out that she has no ideas in her head that weren't first put there by her father figure. Way to go writers, you certainly know how to write them women folk!

So yeah, the original manga wins all over the place. And what are some of the things that you like to do with the dub characters that you don't do with the manga versions, if I may ask?

Date: 2009-06-04 03:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
I'm glad I'm not watching it. aksd because I would have been frustrated.

I'll get to that when I'm done with talking about the YGO ladiez.

Date: 2009-06-04 03:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cypsiman2.livejournal.com
I mean, if you look at it scientifically, with numbers and equations and stuff, 5D's is 17 times worse then GX, because it kept promising to be awesome and interesting and different, and it just keeps being the same tedious shonen BS that disgraces the name of Yugioh.

I swear, Takahashi must be spending his royalties on all the drinks that he can get from what's been done to his story.

Date: 2009-06-04 03:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
I'm just glad they don't really use the YGO characters I love like GX.

Takahashi... hm well I think he'd like any friends that GX/5D fans made because of their interest in the anime, much like he feels about his own work. But, yeaaaaah from what little of GX I saw, I really think they were missing the heart of the series.

Date: 2009-06-04 03:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cypsiman2.livejournal.com
Let me put GX to you like this; when the main character, Judai, went to Hippy-Space to meet with the Hippy-Space Dolphins and learn of his Hippy-Space destiny to use the power of the Hippy-Space Guyver and his friends the Hippy-Space aliens to save the Hippy-Space universe from the Hippy-Space radiation; when all of that happens right near the start of season two, you know the writers are on some seriously bad crack.

Plus, the framing device of one of the clip episodes was Judai talking with his monsters...as opposed to his human friends! I don't think the writers thought the implications of that through...

Date: 2009-06-04 04:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
I don't know if I could buy another character outside of the YGO cast having a destiny to do with Duel Monsters. I think it would have been more interesting to explore how Duel Monsters would evolve and change the world now that the Pharaoh is gone but Duel Monsters still seems to capture the world in a way that's almost mystical.

I've actually thought about this some.

Date: 2009-06-04 04:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cypsiman2.livejournal.com
Bizarrely enough, the manga adaptation of GX has been much more in that direction, though you never know. Still, despite the odds it's been a much better series, which definitely helped to inspire me to write my series!

Date: 2009-06-04 04:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
Hm I might actually read it for that. I actually plan to write a sort of post-series fic that explores how Duel Monsters will evolve. I'll probably wait until I write it to check out the manga cos I don't want to be be influenced.

Date: 2009-06-04 04:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cypsiman2.livejournal.com
That sounds like a fair thing to do, and I'd certainly read it...along with the 10,000 other yugioh fics you say you're going to write *I kid because I care!*

Date: 2009-06-04 04:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
LOLS I'M GETTING TO IT. What's mostly stopping me is that I want to get my manga shipped here because I'm *constantly* rereading some of these chapters for reference and I want to have them on hand. And since a lot of these ideas are post series I need all the Memory RPG arc.

Though man I should get on the Yuugi+Yami clothing genfic for the lulz.
Edited Date: 2009-06-04 04:26 am (UTC)

Date: 2009-06-04 04:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
Well I like the manga better overall. However, as an anime I found the shifts in personality more interesting. From what I've watched of the sub (all of the first season, some of DOMA, and most of the last four episodes) - I think they were trying to hard to stick with the characterizations that could sometimes be pretty dark and creepy while not going all the way the characters lost some edge they were trying to show.

The dub threw that away and changed a whole lot. Making them, in some ways, very different characters, if for no other reasons than their movies are completely different. I actually like YnY's changes the most. Like I was profoundly move moved in the dub version of the ceremonial duel because the fact that his relationship with Yugi is, for lack of a better word, gentler. I liked that he was dueling his hardest while still internally pushing Yugi in a way that he didn't in the Japanese version.

Also man dub!Shadow Realm? A place worse than death (LOL 4KIDS THAT BACKFIRED ON YOU WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT) makes for some interesting fic in the right hands.
Edited Date: 2009-06-04 04:07 am (UTC)

NOW TO GO ON ABOUT THE LADIEZ pt 1

Date: 2009-06-04 03:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
Now YGO is one of my favorite stories evvvvver. It's themes and the way that Takahashi without a doubt has influenced how I write friendship myself. And I love the ladiez. So if there wasn't something within some of his girls, I wouldn't like it so much. I'm only going to talk about the four main ones (I'm not familiar enough with the AE arc to talk about Mana and priest!Isis).

All the girls have a problem not having strong relationships with one another. Which is one thing I did like in the anime - Mai and Shizuka and Anzu and Shizuka were adorable together and there were several slashy scenes between all four of 'em. And I found Rebecca profoundly likable and believable eight year old in the fillers. And Anzu being jealous of her touching her man are some of my favorite Anzu/Yuugi moments in the anime.

Shizuka: It's true that she's very stereotypical in some senses. However, sometime I think people underestimate her strength. Jounouchi drive strength from her not just because she desires to protect her but because of the amount of courage he sees her show and she even calls him on trying to surrender. Some of her fears may not be a really big deal all things considering, but I find them refreshingly normal. She wants to be able to see and is scared that she might not be able to. She's also fourteen. Having her brother inspire her to take off her bandages and than having that act of courage inspire Jounouchi was particularly moving in my opinion. And it also served to move Rishid's character and we get to see Jonouchi+Shizuka and Malik+Rishid's relationship compared. Rishid and Malik, in some ways, are a darker look at what Shizuka and Jonouchi are.

Re: NOW TO GO ON ABOUT THE LADIEZ pt 1

Date: 2009-06-04 03:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cypsiman2.livejournal.com
I will give the anime credit for giving more scenes with the ladies hanging together apart from the boys. Now if we can just excise the parts of DOMA that didn't involve Rebecca...

In other news, I look forward to part 2!

Re: NOW TO GO ON ABOUT THE LADIEZ pt 1

Date: 2009-06-04 04:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
I think DOMA could have been good with lots of rewrites. And Mai would be less cringe-worthy if the anime decided to explore some PDSS in all of the characters.

Re: NOW TO GO ON ABOUT THE LADIEZ pt 1

Date: 2009-06-04 04:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cypsiman2.livejournal.com
Like I mentioned before, if Jounouchi doesn't get PDSS from being burned alive by Ra, then Mai isn't going to get it from a bunch of scorpions...I'm sorry, SAND!

Re: NOW TO GO ON ABOUT THE LADIEZ pt 1

Date: 2009-06-04 04:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
It could have been so good to explore some of the darker parts of the characters. There were plenty of routs one could go. AND MAKE IT IC AND SENSE MAKING *shoots a glare in YnY's direction*

Re: NOW TO GO ON ABOUT THE LADIEZ pt 1

Date: 2009-06-04 04:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cypsiman2.livejournal.com
It's not like it would have been hard, they had volumes and volumes of manga to go on! But no, they had to go easy and lazy with OoC.

Re: NOW TO GO ON ABOUT THE LADIEZ pt 1

Date: 2009-06-04 04:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
I don't even know what they were doing here. Except the Puzzleshipping fodder (which I can appreciate and might have liked better if the characters were themselves.) And why didn't they bring in the Bakuras? That's always delightful fun.

Re: NOW TO GO ON ABOUT THE LADIEZ pt 1

Date: 2009-06-04 04:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cypsiman2.livejournal.com
I always like to wonder what would have happened if Yami Bakura had gotten hold of one of "the legendary three dragons!!!". I mean, imagine the freaky nightmare fuel creatures he'd come up with!

Re: NOW TO GO ON ABOUT THE LADIEZ pt 1

Date: 2009-06-04 04:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
I think he would have made this arc fun. He's a really fun villain. And not Dartz. Who I found epically boring. And the Istars could have been involved. We could see Malik adjusting to not being evil, Rishid to see that he's part of a family, and Isis having her family back.

NOW TO GO ON ABOUT THE LADIEZ pt 2

Date: 2009-06-04 03:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
Mai: There are many things to pick apart on showing vs. telling. However we did get to see her easily beat at least one duelist in Duelist Kingdom. When it came to the Player Killer - Yami no Yuugi pointed out he was being unfair by taking someone by surprise in the middle of the night. And as a woman, I also felt a bit for Mai because I can imagine she may have thought she was about to be sexually assaulted.

She dueled Yami Malik pretty well. In the manga it was pretty badass because she was able to really start to see through some of those shadow games. And lets keep in mind that Yami no Yuugi tricked many a people in the shadow realm and Yuugi himself fainted pretty quickly when they were dueling Pegasus. And no way were Pegasus' duels anywhere near as difficult as Yami Malik's. And Mai stayed awake the entire thing.

As for the attack from Ra - no one could have taken that blow except the Pharaoh. That's a bit of main character syndrome.

I think her most impressively shown duel that showed off Mai as a really strong character that Takahashi respected was her duel with Yam no Yuugi. Takahashi set her up as a strong and proud person - not unlike Yami no Yuugi himself. Even though she and Jounouchi had UST, she never really lost her edge. In fact, one reason she wanted to duel in Battle City was because she felt it would be the best way to show her feelings to Jounouchi.

As for the actual duel with YnY she was awesome. Yeah YnY was off his game because he was nervous about Pegasus and how he lost to Kaiba shook him to the core. But that doesn't change the fact she was pulling no stops and her strategy was pretty awesome. It also showed her growth as a character that she started to rely on other things besides her Harpy Lady. In Duelist Kingdom the main growth she went through (not unlike Kaiba) is the Power of Friendship (tm).

And for all YnY really does love his friends and by Duelist Kingdom already shown a fairly strong and unique relationship with Anzu and Jounouchi as his own identity and not just as Yuugi - it was pretty much only Mai who could snap him out of his daze. Mai had to lose and she had to face herself to become a better duelist and a stronger person.

And Yami no Yuugi had to have the courage to lose and face his own flaws in order to become a stronger person and a better duelist. No one else in the cast could have given him that because at that time. Not even Kaiba - it's not until Battle City that he begins to actually understand the power of unity and friendship.

Re: NOW TO GO ON ABOUT THE LADIEZ pt 2

Date: 2009-06-04 03:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cypsiman2.livejournal.com
Yes, Mai's duel with YnY was double plus awesome, especially since YnY is all "Okay, I'm going to focus and win now!"...then he continues to get his ass kicked for a while, and then declares "Okay, seriously, this time I'm going to win!". The second time connected, but the point is that Mai made YnY EARN that victory, which puts her well ahead of a lot of the other duelists that YnY had faced along the way. *See Exodia dude at the start of Battle City. Not exactly a challenge for our lady of the Harpies and amazons.*

Re: NOW TO GO ON ABOUT THE LADIEZ pt 2

Date: 2009-06-04 03:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
Most Atemu and Yuugi's duels aren't about becoming better duelists - that's what Jounouchi is for. They get development in other ways. Mai is probably one of the few duels that YnY actually had to struggle as much as Jounouchi does to get better. Saving the world duels have different focuses, and even then he wasn't ever quite rattled the same way.

I think it was because it wasn't quite a life-or-death thing. Yeah, if Mai won, YnY would have lost a chance to duel Pegasus (but there could have still been other ways to do so) so the focus was different. This wasn't life or death or fighting for other people, but it was actually about YnY. It wasn't even much about Yuugi at all - Jounouchi had already snapped Yuugi out of his daze.

Date: 2009-06-04 03:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
Isis: There were some problems with showing vs telling here too, but well there are some plot constraints here. He could and maybe should have built it up differently or maybe added another arc that wasn't sucky between Battle City and AE arc to showcase Mai and Isis any other female character he decided to make.

And well she was also a side character. I do think that her kicking Malik's ass and Yami no Malik being impressed with her duel and even calling her scary was enough to establish her as a strong duelist. And when it came to the actual duel with Kaiba, she would have won if Kaiba hadn't gotten his act together and trusted his heart and Blue Eyes White dragon instead of an all powerful God. And even though he did win, she really gave him a run for his money. And she was decidedly unimpressed with Kabia was like USUALLY I DON'T TAKE GENDER INTO ACCOUNT, BUT I'LL LET YOU SURRENDER.

Another important factor to take into account that she isn't a Duelist, not like Yuugi, Jonouchi, Mai or Kaiba are. This isn't a bad thing, as I'll get into with Anzu. What she wants is to recover her brother. This isn't without a problem as female-female relationships aren't represented enough, but it's her brother.

As for what she did for her brother, well you mentioned that. She manipulated Kaiba into throwing Battle City. More than when Yami Malik came out and she was sure there was no real hope left she still kept fighting. And losing her duel with Kaiba was actually a victory for her because she started to see that fate isn't everything - that sometimes you can and should take fate by your own hands and make your own destiny.

In other words, she had agency as a character and learned things on her own. And she helped drive the plot. And helped develop both Kaiba and YnY's character, not to mention her brother(s). It may have been the Rod and Yuugi-tachi slowly chipping through his shield to accept friendship and unity, but it was confronting Isis that actually pushed him start to trust himself and start making real positive steps in his development as a person. While, no, it didn't have to be Isis, and sometimes that's the strongest type of development of all.

Date: 2009-06-04 03:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cypsiman2.livejournal.com
Yes, Agency! As far as I'm concerned, agency is the most important thing for a character to have, otherwise all you have is a living prop. And Isis had plenty of that, I tell you what.

Date: 2009-06-04 04:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
Isis doesn't take shit from anyone. And I kinda wish there was more Isis+Kaiba genfic because they've got a interesting relationship.

Date: 2009-06-04 04:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
Anzu: Like Isis, Anzu isn't a duelist. She plays some games from time to time and even Duel Monsters, but gaming isn't really her thing. Her thing is dancing. Which the text not only acknowledges, but also respects by using it in a rather important manner. Which is the fact that Anzu knowing what she wants and making a choice to go after it, even though she knows it will be hard was the thing that got YnY realize that he needed to do what was in his heart. And since I'd argue the crux of his development was for him to realize who he was as a person and not just The Other Yuugi, I'd say that's a pretty big deal.

She was probably the first person to really see YnY as a person in his own right outside of Yuugi (but that is more complicated for issues not the point of this comment) - but what's interesting is that was a pretty complex manner. She had a crush on him and was sometimes careless about Yuugi's feelings and could often be selfish about it. Though not completely, she also realizes how much YnY means to Yuugi and realized part of the reason she didn't want YnY to realize his past is because she knew it would hurt Yuugi. This shows amazing compassion on her part, and bravery when she bit the bullet and told YnY what he needed to hear to do the right thing.

Anzu's feelings to both Yuugi's is pretty complicated because of the implications that she likes them both romantically. It's confusing enough to like your best friend, but when you bring in an alter ego... She got plenty of development as love interest. And she goes through just as much an internal crisis as Yuugi when she realized that YnY would have to go on eventually - she also shows some agency in questioning Isis about where YnY would end up.

But that wasn't the whole of it. Yuugiou's focus was on friendship. And was actually the most important aspect of her relationship with both Yuugi's - and everyone else. There's a striking amount of balance between her being active by defending Yuugi, drawing that happy face on everyone's hand, telling off Jounouchi for being a jerk etc and also being generally supportive like being there for YnY when he was struggling with what he wanted to do and telling Yuugi that he was fine just the way he was.

She's also pretty flawed. She can be petty and jealous and sometimes she gets caught up in things and becomes pretty thoughtless. She grows up some, but she never loses these flaws completely. I actually like that - it makes her feel like a more rounded person. She'll continue to mature as she grows, but I also think she's continue to have some inclinations towards her flaws like most of us do. She's not alone in that department, Jounouchi and Yuugi are always struggling with the self-esteem issues, for instance.

Date: 2009-06-04 04:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cypsiman2.livejournal.com
Yes! My personal favorite moments of Anzu shall forever be the scene in my icon, and the next day where she tells off freaking SETO KAIBA, who had previously called in the mob to get what he wanted, because he dared to call Yuugi weak. Oh, and can't forget hitting zombie professor with a globe to save Jounouchi. And blowing up monsters all over the place and getting the finishing blow in the Monster World RPG. And the dancing match with Johnny Steps...I could go on, I realize, but point is, Anzu is a fully realized character, and the series is better for it.

Date: 2009-06-04 04:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
I'm not sure my favorite moment for her, because I love her so much in so many scenes. I think my favorite Yuugi and Anzu moment was when she was fixing him up the day before dueling Pegasus and seemed a little shocked that Yuugi wanted to be stronger to protect her. Anzu often pushes Yuugi not to be so shy and teases him about being kinda a wimp in some areas - but she knows he's strong in the places that matter and that's why she loves him so much.

I also like that she's not girly at all but likes wearing skirts. It's just a little interesting quirk I found adorable.

Date: 2009-06-04 04:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cypsiman2.livejournal.com
Well, it wasn't just to protect her, he also said that he "wasn't going to lose to the other him." But yeah, when she can get Yuugi to acknowledge how strong he really is, that's when she really loves him.

And hey, if real men wear pink, then real women wear dresses! Or skirts...or something.

Date: 2009-06-04 04:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
Oh yeah - I forgot about that. But I really like to think that Anzu can help him grow past some of his flaws (and he her) while actually seeing the inner strength that Yuugi can't see himself.

It's more that I like the twist of a tomboy who doesn't wear jeans and shirts and seems most comfortable in skirts.

Date: 2009-06-04 04:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cypsiman2.livejournal.com
Anzu, Jonouchi, Honda, Mai, Seto, Mokuba, Otogi...all the Yuugi-tachi come together to help each other grow up, but since Anzu was there first, her role and perspective on it is especially important. That's how I feel anyway.

Well I would imagine that they'd be easier to dance in, as they wouldn't restrict movement as much as a pair of jeans would. Not that I would have any experience to go on, of course.

Date: 2009-06-04 04:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
I'd place Yuugi and Jounouchi's as most important on a narrative level (I actually think it's more important than the Yuugis and Kabia) - but Anzu was his first friend.

When I took ballet I always danced in my ballet uniform thing. Someone should draw Anzu in one. *coughs*

Date: 2009-06-04 04:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cypsiman2.livejournal.com
Well, yeah. Yu-Jo; it wasn't a coincidence that their names put together made friendship! And their duel in battle city...those two love each other man!

Hey, if I could draw past a stick figure, I would do so!

Date: 2009-06-04 04:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
It really struck me in Battle City how much the Yuugi and Jounouchi were driving each other, way more than anyone else. Though I hardly think Anzu is unimportant in this. She's really the one who probably has the most sense.

Date: 2009-06-04 04:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
Their writing is bad and they should feel bad.
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT MADE ME SNORT OUT LOUD.

Date: 2009-06-04 04:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cypsiman2.livejournal.com
I only steal from the best!...because I don't have the money needed to screw the rules!

Date: 2009-06-04 04:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
Also it's interesting that while the Black Magician/Maahad was the one most loyal to the Pharaoh, Mana/Black Magician Girl are treated with as much respect when she was introduced. And Yuugi's poor legs would have been cut off if not for her!

And, in the anime, she had plenty of agency. And it must have been hard since all her loved ones were dying left and right.
Edited Date: 2009-06-04 04:37 am (UTC)

Date: 2009-06-04 04:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cypsiman2.livejournal.com
Oh god, I just remembered something that's always cheesed me off WRT the Dark Magician Girl...

In her introduction in the Manga, she gains 500 attack power for every Dark Magician in the grave, bringing her attack power in that duel to 3000. But in the anime and the real card game, she only gets 300 per Dark Magician in the grave. WTF!!! Were the anime people scared, or did they not get how this kept her from properly inheriting his power or what???

It's subtle, but it's there.

Date: 2009-06-04 04:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
That's just. Whatever. Mana is more awesome than them.

Also speaking of numbers why did the dub change it to 5,000 years instead of 3,000? It just seemed like such a random change. O_o
Edited Date: 2009-06-04 04:51 am (UTC)

Date: 2009-06-04 04:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cypsiman2.livejournal.com
Mana>Fail, you know it to be true. In fact, I don't recall if I shared this one with you, but...

http://soranu.deviantart.com/art/Bathrooms-Provoke-Thought-88963929 (this is just for the cute...and a little pervy, I'll admit.)

As for the 3000 to 5000 years thing, the only explanation that I can come up with is that the manga initially talked about the history of gaming going back 5000 years ago, and apparently 4Kids took that too literally.

Date: 2009-06-04 04:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] a-white-rain.livejournal.com
LOLZ AT THAT FOREVER. I'm making it headcanon now. Because so cute.

That's probably true. I didn't even think of that! I was pondering that change, it was just so weird.

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